Orpheus
Amazing Member
- May 1, 2014
- #1
The bat line was getting good at having a diverse cast around 2002-05. There was Orpheus, Onyx, Crispus Allen, and Commissioner Akins who were black. Tarantula and Renee Montoya who were hispanic. Cassandra Cain who was half Chinese. Unfortunately, all of these characters are now absent from the bat-verse and now with the exception of Luke Fox (who rarely participates in the main story lines), the characters are white the whole way through. This is just plain wrong. Gotham is a big city, and big city's have diversity. Having a diverse cast enriched the stories and reflected the population of Gotham even if not all the characters were from Gotham themselves. I'm not accusing anyone of being racist, and I am not saying getting rid of all the minority characters was intentional, but seriously, this is a problem that needs to be fixed.
Badou
Extraordinary Member
- May 1, 2014
- #2
They really should have reintroduced Stephanie Brown as a person of color if they were going to do the same for Wally. Their stance of wanting to show more diversity in their books would have felt a lot more genuine. I'd still love to see DC answer why they decided to change Wally but not Steph.
Flash Gordon
Savior of the Universe
- May 1, 2014
- #3
There's no reason for Dick, Jason, and Tim to all be interchangeable. Tim is useless, but Jason could have been anything other than Dick with guns.
Coal Tiger
Astonishing Member
- May 1, 2014
- #4
It's crazy how a line of comic books based around the idea of a rich white man imposing his own ideals and beliefs upon basically the entire world through physical force and economic dominance would have a diversity problem.
son of booyah
BANNED
- May 1, 2014
- #5
It's especially bad when a hero is chasing down criminals on the street. If you're just fighting supervillains and you're part of a group that's all white that's not too bad, although diversity in that group could be better. But a group of white heroes versus a city that obviously has minorities, and if criminality is spread across all skin colors, minority criminals, that's messed up in the meta sense.
son of booyah
BANNED
- May 1, 2014
- #6
Coal Tiger said:
It's crazy how a line of comic books based around the idea of a rich white man imposing his own ideals and beliefs upon basically the entire world through physical force and economic dominance would have a diversity problem.
Haha nicely said
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Aliltron
Incredible Member
- May 2, 2014
- #7
Batwing? Doesn't he count?
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godisawesome
Extraordinary Member
- May 2, 2014
- #8
Cassandra Cain would solve part of this problem.
I'm just saying.
Or spicing up the backstories and histories of the Robins. For a while Dick was supposed to be Roma, while Jason was a red head, Tim was written (though later canonically debunked) as a kid of Jewish descent, and Damian is canonically of both European and Asian descent. Seriously, they should not be pallet swaps of each other.
Also, Azrael would be the perfect character to merge into a new character.
nepenthes
Mighty Member
- May 2, 2014
- #9
godisawesome said:
Cassandra Cain would solve part of this problem.
I'm just saying.
Or spicing up the backstories and histories of the Robins. For a while Dick was supposed to be Roma, while Jason was a red head, Tim was written (though later canonically debunked) as a kid of Jewish descent, and Damian is canonically of both European and Asian descent. Seriously, they should not be pallet swaps of each other.
Also, Azrael would be the perfect character to merge into a new character.
I love the idea of mixed up Robins: in my mind Jason is always a freckly redhead of 2nd generation Irish stock and Dick a dark eyed dark skinned Roma with obvious Eastern Euro, almost even Indian features. I never knew about Tim being Jewish but that's awesome too, I'll go with that.
Diversity is much of the reason I hope the Incorporated crowd continue to appear throughout the line. When Morrison introduced the Australian aborigine Ranger I cheered and high fived him in my astral form.
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Aliltron
Incredible Member
- May 2, 2014
- #10
godisawesome said:
Cassandra Cain would solve part of this problem.
I'm just saying.
Or spicing up the backstories and histories of the Robins. For a while Dick was supposed to be Roma, while Jason was a red head, Tim was written (though later canonically debunked) as a kid of Jewish descent, and Damian is canonically of both European and Asian descent. Seriously, they should not be pallet swaps of each other.
Also, Azrael would be the perfect character to merge into a new character.
I agree, Azrael would be a really good choice!
Orpheus
Amazing Member
- May 2, 2014
- #11
Aliltron said:
Batwing? Doesn't he count?
I acknowledged him but he almost never shows up outside of his own series
Star-Lord
[screaming]
- May 2, 2014
- #12
What about Batman Inc? That's pretty much as diverse as it could get. There's no need to make existing white characters black, hispanic, asian, etc. Plus you've got Killer Croc. Show me another comic that faithfully portrays crocodile men as well as Batman does.
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oasis1313
BANNED
- May 2, 2014
- #13
Flash Gordon said:
There's no reason for Dick, Jason, and Tim to all be interchangeable. Tim is useless, but Jason could have been anything other than Dick with guns.
There must be a breeding farm for black-haired orphans somewhere near Gotham City. Or maybe a website: There's PuppyFind.com; howzabout SidekickFind.com? But agreed, Tim is totally useless. Maybe that's why DC Editorial loves him so much.
Batknight
Spectacular Member
- May 2, 2014
- #14
Orpheus said:
I acknowledged him but he almost never shows up outside of his own series
He'll be playing a pretty big role in Eternal I believe.
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Aliltron
Incredible Member
- May 2, 2014
- #15
Orpheus said:
I acknowledged him but he almost never shows up outside of his own series
Oh oops sorry I must have missed it!
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Kurisu
VEGETATIVE INJUSTICE!
- May 2, 2014
- #16
Badou said:
They really should have reintroduced Stephanie Brown as a person of color if they were going to do the same for Wally. Their stance of wanting to show more diversity in their books would have felt a lot more genuine. I'd still love to see DC answer why they decided to change Wally but not Steph.
Cos hell hath no fury like a bunch of white teenage girls with tumblr accounts and no time on their hands?
LoneNecromancer
BANNED
- May 2, 2014
- #17
Orpheus said:
The bat line was getting good at having a diverse cast around 2002-05. There was Orpheus, Onyx, Crispus Allen, and Commissioner Akins who were black. Tarantula and Renee Montoya who were hispanic. Cassandra Cain who was half Chinese. Unfortunately, all of these characters are now absent from the bat-verse and now with the exception of Luke Fox (who rarely participates in the main story lines), the characters are white the whole way through. This is just plain wrong. Gotham is a big city, and big city's have diversity. Having a diverse cast enriched the stories and reflected the population of Gotham even if not all the characters were from Gotham themselves. I'm not accusing anyone of being racist, and I am not saying getting rid of all the minority characters was intentional, but seriously, this is a problem that needs to be fixed.
And this lot were all regularly appearing in the main storylines? Most of them were minor characters appearing in a couple books.
Ebon
Old Fogey
- May 2, 2014
- #18
Coal Tiger said:
It's crazy how a line of comic books based around the idea of a rich white man imposing his own ideals and beliefs upon basically the entire world through physical force and economic dominance would have a diversity problem.
Oh, and what terrible beliefs they are, too! Belief that everyone should be able to live free of crime, prejudice and poverty. The ideal that everyone should be free of fear. Someone who has given up his own chance at happiness so others can find it. Someone who uses his vast economic might not to lay about and get richer, but puts it to good use by funding endless charities, jobs programs, rehab centers, free clinics, providing the world with safer, cleaner technologies, etc. What a terrible capitalist pig.
Really, it's like some of y'all have never read a Batman book in your lives and just depend on memes, soundbites, and pithy but meaningless hearsay you've read on other sites.
SpideyZERO
All Star
- May 2, 2014
- #19
No, do not make a character another race just because. I'm all for new characters, but do not introduce/change another character into another race just for sake of "diversity"
I mean, does this so called diversity even improve the books? If introduce this character of xxx race is relevant to the story, by all means, go for it. I don't want race change forced down our throat. I much prefer smartly written and beautiful drawn comics than "diversity". I read comics to be entertained, not about real world issues.
JasonTodd428
D*mned Prince of Gotham
- May 2, 2014
- #20
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